I met them both at the school district warehouse where I worked at the time. Mike I met first, in 1976. I worked with him for a couple of months. He was just out of the Army after having a career that had lasted since the Korean War. He had told us he was just waiting until the Postal Service took him on. Sure enough, he got the call and went to work for the USPS, never to be seen again by me until his obituary appeared. I notice it says he spent 18½ years as a letter carrier.